Ireland Referendum on same sex marriage

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Re: Ireland Referendum on same sex marriage

Postby Sprocket » May 27th, 2015, 12:23 pm

SwordOfTheSpirit wrote:
Val wrote:On the Gay marriage ....well we will never agree but IMMHO it is good that a much maligned group of our very human race have been given the equality they richly deserve.

There is no equality to be richly deserved Val. Marriage is defined as one man + one woman. Therefore, any prefix to the word marriage should be a type of marriage between a man and a woman.

In order to claim inequality, the term marriage had to have been redefined first to include
- male + male
- male + female
- female + female
Only then can one claim inequality as only male + female was recognized. On whose authority and whose mandate was the definition of marriage changed?
Marriage has just been redefined. Definitions are not fixed for ever. It was changed in Ireland on the authority of about two-thirds of the population.
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Re: Ireland Referendum on same sex marriage

Postby Pondero » May 27th, 2015, 4:02 pm

Marriage in the eyes of the Roman Catholic Church is a sacrament and cannot possibly be re-defined in the eyes of God. Other churches probably have similar definitions. The so called re-definition is a modern confrontation between Church and State. The Catholic church cannot possibly change its definition of marriage but the State can change its view according to the wishes of its population in an ideal democracy.

In a hundred years the Catholic Church will still be here, but I am not sure about the wishes of the Irish people's government.it's mixed up definition of 'equality' makes no sense.
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Re: Ireland Referendum on same sex marriage

Postby Val » May 29th, 2015, 10:18 am

Vatican says Ireland gay marriage vote is 'defeat for humanity'
Vatican diplomat seen as second only to the pope insists Saturday’s referendum result shows ‘the church must strengthen its commitment to evangelisation’


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/m ... r-humanity

Where were these concerned clergy when thousands of innocent children were being abused by their colleagues?
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Re: Ireland Referendum on same sex marriage

Postby Sprocket » May 29th, 2015, 11:23 am

Pondy - it hasn't been redefined "in the eyes of God". church weddings are still heterosexual-only.
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