Is this the end of celibacy in the catholic priesthood?

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Re: Is this the end of celibacy in the catholic priesthood?

Postby Lyn » August 4th, 2016, 10:39 pm

Yes it will be investigated. It may be a minor thing, you know what the press is like if they get so much as a whiff of scandal.
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Re: Is this the end of celibacy in the catholic priesthood?

Postby Pondero » August 5th, 2016, 1:05 am

Especially the Irish Times. I had a long-distance girl friend once, met her in Dublin. It could have been wilder than it was, but wasn't, We wrote each other, and she wrote me in Canada to say she was marrying someone, I believe he was from that newspaper.
I can't remember when it was or were I was exactly, when a lady forecast part of my future.Was it after Mass at the opening of a new church in Sallynogin by the Archbishop of Dublin, or was it at another church in Dublin. Anyway I escorted this lady down the street, she was either crippled or blind, I can't remember. She thanked me and I asked her if I would marry this girl in a roundabout way of course. She told me I would marry a girl from an island . When asked she said it would not be Ireland.I was disappointed. She told me some more private things about my marriage. They have all come true. How did she know?
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Re: Is this the end of celibacy in the catholic priesthood?

Postby Lyn » August 5th, 2016, 4:27 am

It's not difficult to make prophecies Pondy, especially about people you are talking to. It doesn't mean they have visions/the gift of prophecy. There's a 50% chance the 'prophecies' will not come true. You'd have thought nothing of it had she been wrong.

I prophesy there will be inner city riots in the UK during the summer, an earthquake in Japan, a drought leading to famine in the African sub-continent, a new 'flu virus, before the end of the decade.
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Re: Is this the end of celibacy in the catholic priesthood?

Postby GregB » August 5th, 2016, 8:15 am

Yes, but those 'prophecies' are clearly based on strong probabilities from past experience (eg. I prophesy that some time in the next month, Val will have a go at the Catholic Church!*) However, when the old lady told Pondero that he would marry a girl from an island, the probabilities of that must have been remote, to say the least (ie. the vast majority of people are not from islands.) As Pondero's future wife hailed from Malta (an island), the prophecy is quite singular.

[* Moreover, I prophesy that in the not too distant future, Val will have a blinding revelation on the road to Dublin, resulting in his reconversion to Christianity. Mmmmm...on second thoughts, prophecy isn't really my forté. :blink: ]
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Re: Is this the end of celibacy in the catholic priesthood?

Postby Val » August 5th, 2016, 9:36 am

GregB wrote:Yes, but those 'prophecies' are clearly based on strong probabilities from past experience (eg. I prophesy that some time in the next month, Val will have a go at the Catholic Church!*) However, when the old lady told Pondero that he would marry a girl from an island, the probabilities of that must have been remote, to say the least (ie. the vast majority of people are not from islands.) As Pondero's future wife hailed from Malta (an island), the prophecy is quite singular.

[* Moreover, I prophesy that in the not too distant future, Val will have a blinding revelation on the road to Dublin, resulting in his reconversion to Christianity. Mmmmm...on second thoughts, prophecy isn't really my forté. :blink: ]


Greg my search for answers continues, but I doubt these answers will come in any blinding flash on any road.

This is not me having a go at the Catholic Church or any other denomination except radical Muslims whom I find abhorrent; I watched a program on Irish TV last night about Luton or more rightly about certain districts and streets where white English women are regularly spat at and verbally abused because they are not dressed in that absurd garb worn by Muslim women the niqab or the awful burka.
It showed a group of radical Muslims marching down the street with placards shouting “British Police Go To Hell” and similar insults to the British Government, This to the country that took them in and gave them a home in peace, IMO it they don’t like the way western women dress or behave then ship these radicals back to the home that they love, many of these radicals inciting innocent youth to violence are scumbags who have never worked and rely on the state to feed, house and clothe them and their families.
We have Muslim families in our district here in Dublin and more and more of them are dressing in their traditional clothing including the hijab, niqab and sometimes the burka but we have no street marches yet.
IMMHO enough is enough, if these radicals and their families/followers hate the west so much, then give them a one-way ticket home, no more of this political correctness crap, anyways

Back to the mundane issues concerning the Catholic Seminaries in Ireland and their problems with a large subculture of homosexuals, that in the past was covered up and accepted, it’s that just lately in the new age of social media many have been found out to be sexually active using these gay hook up sites, that is the problem today.
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Re: Is this the end of celibacy in the catholic priesthood?

Postby Lyn » August 5th, 2016, 10:33 am

GregB wrote:Yes, but those 'prophecies' are clearly based on strong probabilities from past experience (eg. I prophesy that some time in the next month, Val will have a go at the Catholic Church!*) However, when the old lady told Pondero that he would marry a girl from an island, the probabilities of that must have been remote, to say the least (ie. the vast majority of people are not from islands.) As Pondero's future wife hailed from Malta (an island), the prophecy is quite singular.


Yes, good points. Quite uncanny really.

Val: "Back to the mundane issues concerning the Catholic Seminaries in Ireland and their problems with a large subculture of homosexuals, that in the past was covered up and accepted, it’s that just lately in the new age of social media many have been found out to be sexually active using these gay hook up sites, that is the problem today."

That's true. Nothing is private any more.
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Re: Is this the end of celibacy in the catholic priesthood?

Postby GregB » August 5th, 2016, 11:19 am

I agree with everything Val says about the Islamist threat. It's a big subject, though, and deserves a separate discussion but I would just quote for now the words of hard-line Hungarian Prime Minister, Viktor Urban*, "There is no place for Islam in Europe". There never was.
Greg my search for answers continues, but I doubt these answers will come in any blinding flash on any road.

Well that might depend on the numbers of single malt you'd put away before setting out, Val... :grin:

[* He experienced the effects of a brutal totalitarian ideology in communist Hungary during the 70's and 80's. Islam, while posing as a religion, is basically a theocratic political ideology.]
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Re: Is this the end of celibacy in the catholic priesthood?

Postby Val » August 6th, 2016, 4:32 pm

Don’t mention single malt, it is all very well sampling the stuff, but the following day.
We had 3 priests on the wireless this morning talking about the issues with the Maynooth Seminary and Celibacy in general.
All agreed that it is not a natural state for any human being; all agreed that they knew many gay priests so it appears that many gay men seeking a truth may have found it in the catholic priesthood where they could hide their orientation.

In the ancient Catholic Church celibacy was not a requirement in fact before the council of Laodicea c352 women were most probably ordained priests, because this council decreed women are not to be ordained, but it appears that women were still ordained until the Fourteenth Century

401 St. Augustine wrote, Nothing is so powerful in drawing the spirit of a man downwards as the caresses of a woman.
590-604-Pope Gregory the Great said that all sexual desire is sinful in itself

“836-Council of Aix-la-Chapelle openly admitted that abortions and infanticide took place in convents and monasteries to cover up activities of uncelibate clerics.

St. Ulrich, a holy bishop, argued from scripture and common sense that the only way to purify the church from the worst excesses of celibacy was to permit priests to marry.”

1545-63-Council of Trent states that celibacy and virginity are superior to marriage.

The biggest problem with the Catholic Church is that it is run by misogynists
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Re: Is this the end of celibacy in the catholic priesthood?

Postby Pondero » August 6th, 2016, 10:48 pm

I agree with St.Augustine, women can do that to you, St Thomas Aquinas, who came later, was locked up in a castle by his brothers to prevent him joining a religious order.After doing so they enlisted the services of a beautiful prostitute to caress ...or whatever....It didn't work though, he chased her away with a piece of burning wood from a fire.He still became a Dominican priest .I don't think he was gay.
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Re: Is this the end of celibacy in the catholic priesthood?

Postby sarniajoy » September 27th, 2016, 8:09 am

Everyone has a right to a sex life in a consensual adult relationship, including Catholic priests. Besides which, they allow married priests to practice if they have converted from Anglicanism, so it is hypocritical not to permit Catholic priests gay or straight to marry, imo.
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