The Sandra Fluke Controversy.

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Re: The Sandra Fluke Controversy.

Postby Bev » March 20th, 2012, 8:08 pm

The TGA is correct in emphasizing the need to be under a doctor's close care. Sepsis is a risk to anyone who has gone through a miscarriage regardless of the cause, and it's imperative one sees a physician when this happens.

My guess would be this is why there was no inquiry.
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Re: The Sandra Fluke Controversy.

Postby Pondero » March 20th, 2012, 8:48 pm

That is what the conflict between Catholic hospitals, universities etc versus Ms.Fluke and Obama's Democrats is all about. Namely, the forcing of Catholic institutions to pay employees for contraception as part of their health care costs. I have no doubt that these institutions already offer real health care.
Recall, that the bishops issued letters saying in part - " We cannot, we will not obey this unjust law."
The proposed law enforced by Kathleen Sebelius, Health Secretary, who is not open to compromise is to subject these institutions to terrific monetary penalties for non-compliance, and put them out of business.
The law takes effect in August 2012.
King Henry VIII did a similar thing to the rich and powerful Catholics during the English Reformation.The Duke of Norfolk had to pay up, to remain Catholic.
Muslims worked a similar tactic on those who wished to remain Christian, in lands where Muslims ruled.
It is a political tactic that has worked in the past.

By way of explanation in case it is not glaringly obvious to a few- the Catholic Church considers the use of artificial contraceptive devices to prevent contraception to be a mortal sin- the teaching is outlined in the encyclical of Pope Paul VI in Humanae Vitae issued ( if my memory is correct) on July 25, 1966.In the 1930's a similar encyclical called Casti Connubii was issued by Pius XI. It is nothing new.
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Re: The Sandra Fluke Controversy.

Postby Bev » March 20th, 2012, 11:02 pm

Pondero wrote:That is what the conflict between Catholic hospitals, universities etc versus Ms.Fluke and Obama's Democrats is all about. Namely, the forcing of Catholic institutions to pay employees for contraception as part of their health care costs. I have no doubt that these institutions already offer real health care.
Recall, that the bishops issued letters saying in part - " We cannot, we will not obey this unjust law."
The proposed law enforced by Kathleen Sebelius, Health Secretary, who is not open to compromise is to subject these institutions to terrific monetary penalties for non-compliance, and put them out of business.
The law takes effect in August 2012.
King Henry VIII did a similar thing to the rich and powerful Catholics during the English Reformation.The Duke of Norfolk had to pay up, to remain Catholic.
Muslims worked a similar tactic on those who wished to remain Christian, in lands where Muslims ruled.
It is a political tactic that has worked in the past.

By way of explanation in case it is not glaringly obvious to a few- the Catholic Church considers the use of artificial contraceptive devices to prevent contraception to be a mortal sin- the teaching is outlined in the encyclical of Pope Paul VI in Humanae Vitae issued ( if my memory is correct) on July 25, 1966.In the 1930's a similar encyclical called Casti Connubii was issued by Pius XI. It is nothing new.


To me, this is the argument you should put forth every time, Pondero. Even though some might not agree, you're really making a good point here, one that any person who is truly democratic is obligated to consider.

The thing for me, though, is I believe Obama's issue is with insurance companies and not religious institutions. It just so happens that the insurance company used by Georgetown and similar institutions are taking advantage of the Catholic pressure to not be affiliated with any kind of birth control service.

I'm just not sure about how the Georgetown insurance coverage works, whether the students pay part of the insurance premium (similar to how it works at the company where I worked for years), or whether Georgetown literally foots the entire bill for their students. Regardless, Georgetown should reduce tuition for students who wish to pay for their own healthcare, which to me would be the best solution. Georgetown doesn't have to worry about that particular coverage, or the expense, as students could then pay for their own coverage with the tuition cost saved by not using Georgetown's insurance.

I believe Obama is also trying to pass legislation that would allow people to economically shop for different healthcare plans, so that one is not stuck having to accept the one a particular institution is offering. But, again, I'm not sure how that all works.
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Re: The Sandra Fluke Controversy.

Postby Pondero » March 21st, 2012, 10:08 am

Why have an insurance company at all?. Our Provincial government takes the money from Ontario general tax revenues and a share given to it of federal tax revenues.( On a T1 annually filed personal income tax return, a certain percentage is allocated to the federal government and the province of all that you paid in for the year - this is general revenue- not health insurance. )
This is a workable and simple solution.Each individual then looks after himself.
You visit the doctor's by appointment or if at a clinic you just walk in, show them the OHIP card and that is all. Doctors and specialists bill the provincial government for re-imbursement, not you.
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Re: The Sandra Fluke Controversy.

Postby Erminehead » March 22nd, 2012, 10:14 am

Pondero wrote:I don't know why everyone is so sympathetic towards this arrogant Fluke, who has the audacity to get enrolled as a law student at a Catholic University with the desired intent of changing Catholic policy on birth control, a law degree is a secondary consideration for her. She ought to be expelled from Georgetown University.Who does she think she is the first woman Pope?


I am sympathetic towards her because the likes of you (who can't be bothered to check his facts) have been calling her a whore on the internet.

Why is that so hard to understand for you, Pondero, and furthermore, why don't you have the common decency to retract your original post.

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Re: The Sandra Fluke Controversy.

Postby Pondero » March 22nd, 2012, 11:33 pm

Erminehead wrote:
Pondero wrote:I don't know why everyone is so sympathetic towards this arrogant Fluke, who has the audacity to get enrolled as a law student at a Catholic University with the desired intent of changing Catholic policy on birth control, a law degree is a secondary consideration for her. She ought to be expelled from Georgetown University.Who does she think she is the first woman Pope?


I am sympathetic towards her because the likes of you (who can't be bothered to check his facts) have been calling her a whore on the internet.

Why is that so hard to understand for you, Pondero, and furthermore, why don't you have the common decency to retract your original post.
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So, I lack common decency do I? You are a pretty obnoxious character yourself!

I wrote what I wrote, believing it to be true at the time I wrote it.


I will retract my opening statement when Hell freezes over.
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Re: The Sandra Fluke Controversy.

Postby Erminehead » March 23rd, 2012, 9:42 am

Pondero wrote:

So, I lack common decency do I? You are a pretty obnoxious character yourself!

I wrote what I wrote, believing it to be true at the time I wrote it.


I will retract my opening statement when Hell freezes over.


And there is the problem. To write that in error is fair enough.

To hold to it when you know it to be untrue is thoroughly indecent, not to mention dishonest.

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Re: The Sandra Fluke Controversy.

Postby Pondero » March 23rd, 2012, 10:01 am

Erminehead wrote:
Pondero wrote:

So, I lack common decency do I? You are a pretty obnoxious character yourself!

I wrote what I wrote, believing it to be true at the time I wrote it.


I will retract my opening statement when Hell freezes over.


And there is the problem. To write that in error is fair enough.

To hold to it when you know it to be untrue is thoroughly indecent, not to mention dishonest.

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And now you are implying that I am being dishonest! What next? You have already indulged yourself in censorship, and character assassination.
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Re: The Sandra Fluke Controversy.

Postby Erminehead » March 23rd, 2012, 10:22 am

I didn't imply that you were dishonest. You did.

And I am not censoring you. you have every right to slander women if you choose. But you don't have any right to have to those views or actions respected.

It's called free speech. You are free to say what you want. You are also free to take the consequences.

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Re: The Sandra Fluke Controversy.

Postby Pondero » March 23rd, 2012, 11:13 am

Erminehead wrote:I didn't imply that you were dishonest. You did.

And I am not censoring you. you have every right to slander women if you choose. But you don't have any right to have to those views or actions respected.

It's called free speech. You are free to say what you want. You are also free to take the consequences.

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No, you are criticising my views, which is a form of censorship, especially when you think it wrong for me to hold them. I don't recall slandering any women. In your politically correct world, free speech is proclaimed but seldom practised, religious liberty extolled as a virtue but denied ( e.g. two women removed from their jobs for wearing crosses around their necks in the UK). The only right that counts it seems it the "right" not to be offended, and we who use common sense must go around walking on eggshells, being ultra careful of our speech, of our mannerisms - common sense goes out of the window.
There is a backlash coming, and it started already in Canada on 640 am news, on channel 506 Sun TV.
So, although I am wandering off topic to some extent, it is pretty obvious that I don't give a damn about having my views respected by the politically correct!
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