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Re: Islamist watch

Postby Pondero » August 26th, 2015, 11:59 am

Sprocket wrote:Outside the walls. How about admitting you were wrong for once?


..In 846 the Aghlabids sacked the extra muros Roman Basilicas of Saint Peter and Saint Paul, both lying outside the Aurelian Walls..


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Re: Islamist watch

Postby Pondero » August 26th, 2015, 12:15 pm

Islam watch says in 846 a Muslim force from Sicily sailed up the river Tiber and sacked Rome. Those were the words used "sacked Rome" . Outside the Aurilean walls was the Vatican, the tomb of St. Peter on the north west bank of the Tiber. The tomb was desecrated and so were many churches, and the tomb of St.Paul.The Muslims took hundreds of prisoners.

The point is that the Muslim religion is not a peaceful religion, they conquer by force. Now why did it take so long until 1091 to organize the First Crusade?
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Re: Islamist watch

Postby Sprocket » August 26th, 2015, 9:46 pm

Well, Islam watch is wrong. "Extra muros" presumably means "outside the walls", like "extra-mural". Those two churches were both at the time outside the walls of Rome. They did not get inside the walls, to sack Rome itself.
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Re: Islamist watch

Postby Pondero » August 26th, 2015, 9:51 pm

I am not going to continue this stupid argument about what constitutes Rome, especially in 846AD.
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Re: Islamist watch

Postby Sprocket » August 26th, 2015, 9:53 pm

The point is that you said Wikipedia didn't mention it, and suggested this was censorship. I pointed out that it did mention it, and provided the link to the article.
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Re: Islamist watch

Postby Sprocket » October 1st, 2015, 10:31 pm

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Re: Islamist watch

Postby Theophilus » October 2nd, 2015, 8:10 pm

It's worth noting that Saudi Arabia, along with the US, UK, France and Turkey, are condemning Russia for actually doing something about Islamic terrorism in Syria. Europe and America's criticism of Assad (and before that Gadaffi, and before that Saddam Hussein) is completely hypocritical while ever Saudi Arabia remains an ally. Last year, the UK and USA lined up to criticize Russia for introducing a law whereby the promotion of homosexuality to children was outlawed (punishment: a fine), yet all the while they continued to be allies with this ridiculously despotic state where homosexuality is completely illegal and punishable by death (a sentence which is carried out regularly). The US doesn't want "democracy" in Syria - it just wants a ruler more friendly towards their own interests and Saudi Arabia (plus Pakistan among others) proves that it doesn't matter whether a country has democracy or personal freedoms at all.

It is also Saudi Arabia that is contributing to extremism in this country by funding a number of mosques and distributing literature (inc. particular translations of the Qu'ran). Yet the police and government (along with the media) go out of there way to solely blame online extremists for radicalizing British muslims, thus absolving them from doing the sensible thing and go raid a few mosques in this country that terrorists have attended. It is cowardice and self-interest tantamount to treason.

From the article:

Last week, 769 faithful Muslim believers were killed in Mecca where they had gone on the Hajj. Initially, the rulers said it was “God’s will”...


If they believe that then what do they think of "God's will" in allowing a crane, owned by the "Bin Laden Group", to fall onto the Grand Mosque itself, killing 100+ Muslims on the anniversary of 9/11 this year? Even an atheist would pause for thought at the collection of ironic coincidences in that!
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Re: Islamist watch

Postby GregB » August 16th, 2016, 5:50 pm

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-37098751

Excellent news! This dreadful Muslim hatemonger has at last been convicted of a crime and, hopefully, will be sent to prison for a long time. There, perhaps someone will take justice into his own hands and get rid of the bastard once and for all.

Bit strong? Read the article and see what kind of individual we're dealing with. Here's a choice quote from it:
"Next time when your child is at school and the teacher says 'What do you want when you grow up? What is your ambition?', they should say 'To dominate the whole world by Islam, including Britain - that is my ambition'," he said.

Nice...
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Re: Islamist watch

Postby Pondero » August 17th, 2016, 12:06 am

I heartily agree Greg.
Why , some fools in Canada are still writing to the National Post saying Islam is a religion of peace, ignoring its spread through warfare, unlike Christianity, a real religion of peace.
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Re: Islamist watch

Postby SwordOfTheSpirit » August 17th, 2016, 10:15 am

I also agree, but in my opinion it should never have gotten this far. We are always hearing statements along the likes of, there is no evidence for ..., but what happens in reality is that the worldview used to interpret any evidence is a politically correct one, so nothing ever happens until after the event has taken place! In other words, we are reactive, rather than proactive.

I don't know if GregB or Pondero will be able to watch this, but if you can, listen to the first 20 minutes or so of Sunday Morning Live. The first discussion was this:

Should it be made easier for radicalised young Muslims to return to the UK and reform?

You would not believe some of the opinions of three of the four panellists!
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