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Genderless?

Postby Pondero » December 13th, 2017, 10:21 am

I read the other day that being genderless or rather a boy instead of a girl when you have a penis , or vice versa , is all in the mind and that there is no such thing.
It is all a load of hogwash and those parents who think such things about their offspring ought to have their head examined .
I agree.The scientific evidence is that there are at least 6,500 genetic differences between a boy and a girl, or man and woman and no amount of surgery or drugs is going to change one into the other. If you have a Y chromosone you are a boy.
End of story. In the modern world people unfortunately believe there is nothing true or false except thinking makes it's so.
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Re: Genderless?

Postby Lyn » December 13th, 2017, 6:03 pm

I agree with you up to a point Pondy.
The vast majority of us have a distinctive gender - you=boy, me=girl.
The idea is, I think, to be sensitive to the small minority who are intersex. Intersex people do definitely exist (you can google, I've looked at this), who have historically been given a hard time.

Maybe it's all gone too far, we can bring up our kids to know about such things, and be sensitive, when they're old enough to understand.
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Re: Genderless?

Postby Theophilus » December 25th, 2017, 12:10 am

If you're still in the world of work that has any contact with the public or, God-forbid, in education then you'll know it certainly has gone too far. The idea that someone unequivocally born male could, because of nothing more than a strong belief, suddenly identify as a female and that not only does this have to be accepted, but that there are legal ramifications if one does not would have seemed ridiculous 10 years ago.

The speed at which "transgender issues" have become visible in mainstream culture and started to infect many levels of the civil authorities (including the police force) and academia is quite alarming. Certainly it is not proportionate to the number of people who are actually "intersex" and therefore may have been incorrectly gendered as an infant. The rest are simply suffering from a type of dysmorphia and are being aided and abetted in mutilating their bodies through surgery or hormone treatment by the NHS. This is in the UK; in other countries, particularly Canada, the pandering to people with mental illnesses and their enablers within the government is even worse.
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Re: Genderless?

Postby Lyn » December 25th, 2017, 6:17 am

That's a good post. It certainly strikes me as very extreme to undergo all that surgery - what happens if you change your mind later on? That has happened and it's not so easy to put bits back. There's even an NHS clinic in London which specialises in gender reassignment, at the Charing Cross Hospital.

My view is that we accept being male and female, which most of us are, and have compassion - and accept - those who aren't. Many of us will go through life without ever meeting someone who wants or has a sex change op.
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Re: Genderless?

Postby Pondero » December 25th, 2017, 10:06 pm

There is a lot of dysmorphia around in Canada, encouraged by certain groups and supported by the press.I do believe as Theo says we have a bigger problem in Canada than does England.
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Re: Genderless?

Postby Lyn » December 25th, 2017, 10:54 pm

There's quite a lot here too, don't know that it is encouraged but it is now recognised and I see nothing wrong with that in itself - as long as we don't forget that most of us are born a particular gender. I've never had any doubts about being female, even when I was a child and a bit of tomboy, thought boys had more fun - still I knew I was a girl. Pretty sure you always knew you were a boy. Those who don't know are the minority and we accept that but it's not right to make everyone 'genderless' - not possible anyway. I like being female!
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Re: Genderless?

Postby Pondero » December 26th, 2017, 3:10 am

Dysmorphia means only in the way I have used the word to mean a mental illness.And if it is purely mental then it is wrong to change sex physically by surgery or drugs . I fear this is the case in most cases in Canada. I read somewhere the other week that teenagers at school think it is the thing to do. Instead of being discouraged they are encouraged by their teachers and doctors to do so. If so then this is crazy.
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Re: Genderless?

Postby Lyn » December 26th, 2017, 5:36 am

If that is the case I'd agree with you, I just can't imagine any youngster wanting to undergo anything so drastic. However, I have heard it is 'fashionable' atm and that needs to be stopped in its tracks. Strange thing to be fashionable :shock: .

Must say I don't know anyone who is undergoing that sort of procedure.
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Re: Genderless?

Postby Sprocket » December 27th, 2017, 1:42 pm

I'm inclined cautiously to agree with Theo, for once: this gender-fluidity nonsense is getting out of hand.
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Re: Genderless?

Postby Lyn » December 27th, 2017, 2:45 pm

Yes, it does make a pleasant change to be in agreement like this !
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