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Chaos in Spain?

Postby GregB » June 2nd, 2018, 6:43 am

While the pot keeps simmering here in Catalonia with the independence movement, Spanish politics are heating up, too. The conservative Partido Popular government has fallen under a successful motion of no confidence presented by the PSOE (the Spanish Socialist Party), which will now form a government under its leader and new prime minister, Pedro Sánchez*. It only passed due to votes from the smaller parties, but the PSOE has no majority in parliament and will have difficulties governing, so it's likely there will be a general election before long. The winners of such will almost certainly be the newish centre-right party, Ciudadanos (Citizens) which has gained considerably in popularity in recent years.

With Italy currently in political chaos, the European landscape is rapidly changing. Brexit is seeing the UK leave the EU and populist anti-EU parties are growing in strength throughout Europe. There are uncertain times ahead and these developments are going to affect everyone sooner or later.

(I'll be happy to supply further information for those interested.)

[* He has a younger, more dynamic image, French president Macron-style, than the outgoing PM, Mariano Rajoy:
http://fotos00.laopiniondemurcia.es/201 ... anchez.jpg
Mariano Rajoy:
https://www.eldiario.es/politica/Rajoy- ... 069_33.jpg
The leader of Ciudadanos, Albert Rivera, has the same youthful style as Sánchez (and Macron.):
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/94 ... 00x400.jpg ]
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Re: Chaos in Spain?

Postby Pondero » June 3rd, 2018, 12:24 am

The only thing that I find very surprising is that Italy is in political chaos! I heard nothing about that.
As for the political leaders of Spain. They should appeal to the female sex as all are better looking than our Trudeau.
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Re: Chaos in Spain?

Postby Sprocket » June 3rd, 2018, 6:00 am

Italy is in permanent political chaos. Since the war, it's had a change of government practically every year.
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Re: Chaos in Spain?

Postby GregB » June 3rd, 2018, 7:23 am

Not exactly. There were many governments in the post-war years, it's true, but that was largely due to the coalition system which allowed smaller parties to come and go, although the main political party for decades was the Christian Democracy Party, which produced most of the prime ministers. This didn't result in chaos as such, just a more rapid turnover of governments while basic administration carried on. There was certainly social chaos in the 60's and after, due mainly to economic crises and the rise of different terrorist factions. The legislation in the 90's resulted in a change to majority governments, which led to a period of relative stability.

The current situation is complicated, but it's a reflection of the growth of populist parties throughout Europe (as I mentioned in my opening post) and popular disillusionment with mainstream parties and politicians. The two main parties in the latest elections, the left-wing Movimento 5 Stelle (Five Star Movement) and the right-wing nationalist Lega (League), have formed an unlikely coalition government, whose main joint platform is basically anti-European and anti-immigration.

Here are two in-depth analyses from The Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... echnocrats
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... r-movement
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Re: Chaos in Spain?

Postby GregB » June 6th, 2018, 11:47 am

The new Spanish prime minister, the socialist Pedro Sánchez, who has headed the new government after a vote of no confidence in the previous conservative administration (see my OP), has announced the names of his cabinet. Nine of the new ministers (including the deputy PM, first on the top row below) are women and only three are men.
https://estaticos.elperiodico.com/resou ... 439089.jpg
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Re: Chaos in Spain?

Postby GregB » June 7th, 2018, 12:49 pm

Well, the final tally of ministers is eleven women and six men, a record I think in any European government or shadow cabinet (UK included.) There's a tradition of ministers of the outgoing government presenting a new briefcase with the ministerial position embossed on it to their successors. Here's an example with the former minister of justice presenting a new briefcase to his female successor, with the nice detail of the feminine Spanish form of 'minister' - Ministra - embossed on it.
https://album.mediaset.es/eimg/2018/06/ ... zMtr05.jpg
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Re: Chaos in Spain?

Postby GregB » June 8th, 2018, 12:56 pm

I'd welcome comments here - especially from Steve whom I thought might have something to say about a progressive, socialist (though not far left*) government here in Spain with a majority of women ministers and a dynamic reformist youthful leader and now prime minister. (It's a subject not limited by borders, though!)

[* That role is now assumed by the newish Podemos party.]
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Re: Chaos in Spain?

Postby Sprocket » June 9th, 2018, 7:05 pm

I don't know much about Spanish politics, but democratic socialist governments are always welcome, and plenty of women in senior positions is also good, provided they've been appointed on merit.
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