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Re: Margaret Atwood

Postby Lyn » July 24th, 2014, 1:40 pm

We all know about Germaine Greer Pondy and when she wrote "The Female Eunuch", which I read when first published, it may have been necessary in her mind and the minds of others to write the book. I thought it was good at the time, I may not now. Maybe she wouldn't write it now! She has modified her ideas since those days. However none of that stops her being a good writer and whatever you say about Margaret Atwood, she is a good novelist. I knew nothing at all about her until I read this thread, apart from having read "The Handmaid's Tale" a good few years ago. You said it was pornographic and it definitely was NOT.
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Re: Margaret Atwood

Postby Pondero » July 24th, 2014, 4:10 pm

Victoria Plum wrote:We all know about Germaine Greer Pondy and when she wrote "The Female Eunuch", which I read when first published, it may have been necessary in her mind and the minds of others to write the book. I thought it was good at the time, I may not now. Maybe she wouldn't write it now! She has modified her ideas since those days. However none of that stops her being a good writer and whatever you say about Margaret Atwood, she is a good novelist. I knew nothing at all about her until I read this thread, apart from having read "The Handmaid's Tale" a good few years ago. You said it was pornographic and it definitely was NOT.


Well, that is your opinion and others have complained that it was pornographic. Back in those days egoistic people wrote books.Times have changed and people tolerate more now than they did then, which is not good, just look at the state of the world in terms of sexual immorality.
One good thing I can say about Margaret Atwood is that she supported Conrad Black in his attempt to keep his Order of Canada medal. The government wrongly took it away from him because he had spent time in a U S jail.
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Re: Margaret Atwood

Postby Lyn » July 24th, 2014, 7:32 pm

Margaret Atwood's book was written only about fifteen years ago Pondy and I don't think it was fashionable to be egotistical in those days. It's just a novel, an unusual one but nothing porno. So don't believe everything you read about things, either read them yourself or ignore.
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Re: Margaret Atwood

Postby different glory » July 25th, 2014, 9:47 am

The Handmaid's Tale is utterly NOT pornographic,Pondy. It stirred up opposition because it imagined a future where fundamentalist Christians ruled America, and kept women very oppressed - for that reason people in those groups were saying anything to try to suppress the book. But no, it certainly was not pornographic.
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Re: Margaret Atwood

Postby Pondero » July 25th, 2014, 10:01 am

different glory wrote:The Handmaid's Tale is utterly NOT pornographic,Pondy. It stirred up opposition because it imagined a future where fundamentalist Christians ruled America, and kept women very oppressed - for that reason people in those groups were saying anything to try to suppress the book. But no, it certainly was not pornographic.


But, it does show how much Margaret Atwood hated Christianity and how much she misunderstands American Evangelical Christians today, or she would not have written such a book
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Re: Margaret Atwood

Postby Pondero » July 25th, 2014, 11:22 pm

My grandson doesn't think that Margaret Atwood is anti-Christian.He thinks her book Handmaids Tale is pornographic,having read most of it and given up because it disgusts him. However, he said at the dinner table where he drank milk and I am drinking wine,.that the book is pornographic. He understands that being sexually explicit = pornographic. He would be right if sexually explicit titillates the senses.
Nevertheless, being an intelligent person (a future politician- perhaps). He said.in his esssay that he liked the book, as he wants a good mark in grade XII English.
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He also said last night that he read King Lear in three hours non-stop. That too was part of his English course.I haven't seen him for a while and he has grown taller and wider, has a crew cut and looks like an American football player.
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Re: Margaret Atwood

Postby Pondero » August 12th, 2014, 9:19 pm

Sometime ago I mentioned under another section of this website that I was reading a biography of Turin.
Well, more than half way through it became dull, and complicated, and discussed who was first with this and that, and mentioned the inventors of the first computers. I am not interested in who was first and who came second. Apart from the fact that a lot of what we were taught about the first computers is now found to be false, since the secrets of Bletchley have been released. The info was formerly secret under the Official secrets Act. Suffice it to say Turin was a great Cypher breaker and mathematician, and inventor who saved countless lives during world war two.

Another book, I am reading for the third time is called "Christ and the Media" by Malcolm Muggeridge. I won't comment further on it at this time ( it is dinner time.)
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Re: Margaret Atwood

Postby Lyn » August 12th, 2014, 11:00 pm

Sorry to go back to Atwood Pondy but I am wondering if your grandson, as well as starting to read her book, saw the film of the book. Sometimes at school they show films of books that are on the curriculum. I haven't seen the film of "The Handmaid's Tale", but remember reading that it was sexually explicit, to the point where it obscured the true meaning of the novel. That alone would make for a good discussion at school, how dramatising novels alters the perception of a novel etc (though it also panders to the students who are too lazy to read it). I not only read it but heard it read on Radio 4 early in 1990 and don't remember anything remotely titillating about it. I really must dig it out and read it again, it was so good.

On to Muggeridge, I read, "Something Beautiful for God" many years ago, long before I was a Catholic, which he wrote about Mother Theresa. It was marvellous for its time.
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Re: Margaret Atwood

Postby Pondero » August 13th, 2014, 7:52 pm

I'll ask my grandson if he saw the film "The Handmaid's Tale" Victoria. I do know he got 88% in that English course, for grade 12, and he is disappointed as he needs over 90%, he thinks, in all grade 12 subjects in order to get into engineering at Queen's with his brother.
He has math and physics and chemistry to study starting September, for the rest of his grade 12 courses. He should get over 90% in all of them.
Engineers have to have a good mark in at least one High School English course, because the very nature of their studies, mathematics, physics, engineering etc, could leave one semi-literate, as a person spouting formulas and nothing else.
As I said I'll ask him.
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Re: Margaret Atwood

Postby Lyn » August 13th, 2014, 9:14 pm

I wouldn't bother him Pondy, he has enough on his mind atm and it really isn't that important. Also, if he didn't like 'The Handmaid's Tale', found it distasteful, why remind him? He's young and wants to think about things he likes.

88% sounds pretty good to me, if he gets over 90% in everything else and does exceptionally well in some particular subjects, he'll be considered far from illiterate! It's good that the university takes literacy seriously though. It is a subject that isn't taught very well at school over here these days.

Edit: I have just read Wiki's synopsis of the book (though I read it and remember it, it was a long time ago), and can well imagine how graphic it would be when dramatised. Apparently it has been adapted for stage and opera too (the mind boggles at the thought of the opera). I have never seen the film nor even noticed it in TV listings but if I did, I wouldn't watch it. It would spoil it for me.
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