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Re: Jesus Christ the Son of God

Postby Sprocket » November 7th, 2016, 9:19 am

What Nicholas says about evolution is as hopelessly wrong as what he says about everything else. He revealed recently that he thinks evolution is driven by living creatures striving to improve themselves, which is completely wrong.
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Re: Jesus Christ the Son of God

Postby NicholasMarks » November 7th, 2016, 9:48 am

Sprocket wrote:What Nicholas says about evolution is as hopelessly wrong as what he says about everything else. He revealed recently that he thinks evolution is driven by living creatures striving to improve themselves, which is completely wrong.


What Nicholas believes first and foremost is the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...what he said, what he did and what he implied and the overwhelming lesson learnt is that the first laws of our existence are spiritual in nature. If we take it a step at a time an enormous wealth of knowledge is revealed to us but I'm afraid you have to be receptive to his word.

That 'word' is a wonderful righteous science which includes resurrection for those that believe and follow his word.
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Re: Jesus Christ the Son of God

Postby Sarniajoy » November 7th, 2016, 12:13 pm

NicholasMarks wrote:
Sprocket wrote:What Nicholas says about evolution is as hopelessly wrong as what he says about everything else. He revealed recently that he thinks evolution is driven by living creatures striving to improve themselves, which is completely wrong.


What Nicholas believes first and foremost is the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...what he said, what he did and what he implied and the overwhelming lesson learnt is that the first laws of our existence are spiritual in nature. If we take it a step at a time an enormous wealth of knowledge is revealed to us but I'm afraid you have to be receptive to his word.

That 'word' is a wonderful righteous science which includes resurrection for those that believe and follow his word.


Apart from the FACT you have no idea if what Jesus is quoted as saying actually came out of his mouth, you have no idea if it is 'accurate', and as for it having anything to do with 'science', it is in your convoluted mind only!
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Re: Jesus Christ the Son of God

Postby NicholasMarks » November 7th, 2016, 4:49 pm

Sarniajoy wrote:
NicholasMarks wrote:
Sprocket wrote:What Nicholas says about evolution is as hopelessly wrong as what he says about everything else. He revealed recently that he thinks evolution is driven by living creatures striving to improve themselves, which is completely wrong.


What Nicholas believes first and foremost is the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...what he said, what he did and what he implied and the overwhelming lesson learnt is that the first laws of our existence are spiritual in nature. If we take it a step at a time an enormous wealth of knowledge is revealed to us but I'm afraid you have to be receptive to his word.

That 'word' is a wonderful righteous science which includes resurrection for those that believe and follow his word.


Apart from the FACT you have no idea if what Jesus is quoted as saying actually came out of his mouth, you have no idea if it is 'accurate', and as for it having anything to do with 'science', it is in your convoluted mind only!


Unlike the friends and acquaintances we gather around us today which are usually self interested the brothers and sisters Jesus gathered around him were specially chosen. It is unwise to convince yourself that Almighty God and Jesus were working from the level of intellect that you aspire to Sarniajoy...they make it quite clear their level of knowledge is far greater, toned down to suit the honest, rather that the unscrupulous believer of that period. If you read about what Jesus has to say, as you say you do, you should realise that all his miracles, behaviour and resurrection had to have method behind them...that method has to stem from science...sciences which don't seem so remarkable these days because we too now know a lot about the electric nature of atoms...but it still shows that our deity is much cleverer than us...even today.
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Re: Jesus Christ the Son of God

Postby Lyn » November 7th, 2016, 5:46 pm

From the KJV

Daniel 1:4
Children in whom was no blemish, but well favoured, and skilful in all wisdom, and cunning in knowledge, and understanding science, and such as had ability in them to stand in the king's palace, and whom they might teach the learning and the tongue of the Chaldeans.

1 Timothy 6:20
O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
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Re: Jesus Christ the Son of God

Postby Theophilus » November 7th, 2016, 11:58 pm

Both of those words rendered "science" in the KJV can also be rendered as "knowledge" as scientia in Latin comes from the word scire, "to know". Indeed, other translations will render the verse from Timothy as "knowledge, falsely called". The verse from Daniel (which uses both the words "knowledge" and "science") can also be translated differently without using the word science, e.g:

youths in whom was no defect, who were good-looking, showing intelligence in every branch of wisdom, endowed with understanding and discerning knowledge, and who had ability for serving in the king's court; and he ordered him to teach them the literature and language of the Chaldeans.


A distinction between the words "science" and "knowledge" exists now whereas it was less distinct back in the 17th century. Now, science would be understood not just as "knowledge" about a subject, but also include the various methodologies for obtaining such knowledge (in today's language we can "do" science, but we can't "do" knowledge).
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Re: Jesus Christ the Son of God

Postby Sarniajoy » November 8th, 2016, 9:10 am

NM you want to believe it all to be true, but as the gospels were written well after Jesus died, it was not possible for him to be quoted word for word, imo, as nothing was apparently written down at the time he was alive.
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Re: Jesus Christ the Son of God

Postby Lyn » November 8th, 2016, 9:49 am

Theophilus wrote:Both of those words rendered "science" in the KJV can also be rendered as "knowledge" as scientia in Latin comes from the word scire, "to know". Indeed, other translations will render the verse from Timothy as "knowledge, falsely called". The verse from Daniel (which uses both the words "knowledge" and "science") can also be translated differently without using the word science, e.g:

youths in whom was no defect, who were good-looking, showing intelligence in every branch of wisdom, endowed with understanding and discerning knowledge, and who had ability for serving in the king's court; and he ordered him to teach them the literature and language of the Chaldeans.


A distinction between the words "science" and "knowledge" exists now whereas it was less distinct back in the 17th century. Now, science would be understood not just as "knowledge" about a subject, but also include the various methodologies for obtaining such knowledge (in today's language we can "do" science, but we can't "do" knowledge).


Yes I do know that 'science' is often translated as 'knowledge', I said as much before. However people in Biblical times did 'do' science', in a different, maybe far less sophisticated way than we know it now but it was studied.
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Re: Jesus Christ the Son of God

Postby Sarniajoy » November 8th, 2016, 11:05 am

It wasn't 'science' in any recognisable form imo.
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Re: Jesus Christ the Son of God

Postby Lyn » November 8th, 2016, 1:52 pm

I disagree Sj - of course the same methods, equipment even, were not used then - but I said all that before, might have been on another thread, I can't remember precisely - but I do remember it was said in reply to you.
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